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--Vsuarezp (alderique) 10:40 23 mar 2019 (UTC)
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Kbb2: hello there. I would like to give you an information which you may appreciate. It was your recent debates with lS98, leading to your signalation in ANI about the problem he is causing with some of his edits regarding IPA transcriptions, which made me think to tell you this. Watch his last 18 edits here. He has changed that many Italian IPAs going against a source, the DiPI, that is the main orthoepy dictionary based on IPA and linked in the Help:IPA/Italian page, only according to his own unsourced POV explained in the edit summaries. This is really damaging for Wikipedia, because such a decision, going against a source which has always been used, should not have been taken by a single person but discussed with the community, for example in the help page or in the linguistic project. In this case there are no possible misunderstandings, these edits of his are disruptive and go against the spirit of Wikipedia. This matter should be a subject of discussion, I mean both the way he is behaving and the restoration of the sources IPAs. Let me tell you that I really hope that the information I have given you are welcome. I am sending you also a ping just to be sure you read this thread: @Kbb2:.Ricardawn (alderique) 17:57 20 set 2019 (UTC)
- @Ricardawn: The only thing he's changed so far is the order. Is there something wrong with it? Kbb2 (alderique) 18:07 20 set 2019 (UTC)
- Kbb2: good morning. Excuse me for replying now and for disturbing you elsewhere. The only thing he has changed so far is the order, you say. There is something wrong with it, yes. First of all, the order is important, because the first place is taken by the real most correct modern pronunciation, while the second is a tolerated alternative which was used in the past but nowadays is considered obsolete and is becoming abandoned even in Tuscan Italian. Then, the source itself uses that order, I mean the DiPI, and its symbols legend says what I have written in the line above this about the order. Last but not least, he is not basing his argument on another source but just on his own POV, as he wrote in the edit summaries, he restored his version because he considers it the best, but this is Wikipedia, a secondary or tertiary source based on primary and secondary sources, not a primary source based on the opinions by the users who edit it, this is not lS98's pedia, also consider that he himself ofter added the DiPI, already linked in the help page, as a source for some Italian pronunciations inside the pages they were located in, so this is an example of using sources according to one's liking, very hypocritical and unsuitable for Wikipedia. These are the reasons why his behaviour is wrong. If you think it is worth a discussion to restore the pronunciations according to the source and to make him stop doing that, please use the information I gave you for that, otherwise at least I know that now you have become aware of such information which before you were unaware of. I am pinging you: @Kbb2:.Ricardawn (alderique) 09:56 21 set 2019 (UTC)
- @Ricardawn: You make it sound more serious than it actually seems to be. You can report him yourself, you know more about Italian than me. Kbb2 (alderique) 11:02 21 set 2019 (UTC)
- Kbb2: actually I would if his reaction would not be to attack like a vandal or even accuse of sockpuppeting whoever tries acting against him for the sake of Wikipedia. There is no need to know Italian to deal with this issue because it is sufficient to rely on sources, and the ultimate source about Italian orthoepy based on IPA is the DiPI, which registers a specific order of the official pronunciations so that it is linked in the help page. If you do not feel like proposing a discussion to restore the IPAs according to the source and to make him stop with this behaviour, because he is still going on, it is not a problem for me, I told you this because I thought this would help you showing his unsuitability for editing phonetic transcriptions because of his temper and POV as you were trying to do in ANI, but if you are not interested I will not try convincing you to do so. Again ping: @Kbb2:.Ricardawn (alderique) 11:21 21 set 2019 (UTC)
- @Ricardawn: Post it in a public place such as w:en:Help talk:IPA/Italian. Kbb2 (alderique) 11:45 21 set 2019 (UTC)
- @Ricardawn: Have you decided what to do? It's not my business but I'm curious anyway. Kbb2 (alderique) 15:42 23 set 2019 (UTC)
- Kbb2: as I said, I do not like taking risks by doing anything that user might perceive as a deliberate attack toward his own person, he can nullify anything an anonymous or new user tries, and you and lots of other users should well know how he behaves with users who do not agree with him. If you, who should not run such risks, would like to try and ask the community in the linguistic project or in the help page if these edits against such a big source are legitimate and correct, please do it, but if you do not want to, I have already said that I am not going to try convincing you. I just though that you may have been interested in clarifying this argument. Thank you anyway for replying even if you were not interested. Last ping: @Kbb2:.Ricardawn (alderique) 22:52 23 set 2019 (UTC)
- @Ricardawn: I just don't see the point in writing so much about the subject and then backing off just because you have to take action. Why should it be me who does something about what you're concerned? I think we should end this discussion. Kbb2 (alderique) 01:25 24 set 2019 (UTC)
- Kbb2: as I said, I do not like taking risks by doing anything that user might perceive as a deliberate attack toward his own person, he can nullify anything an anonymous or new user tries, and you and lots of other users should well know how he behaves with users who do not agree with him. If you, who should not run such risks, would like to try and ask the community in the linguistic project or in the help page if these edits against such a big source are legitimate and correct, please do it, but if you do not want to, I have already said that I am not going to try convincing you. I just though that you may have been interested in clarifying this argument. Thank you anyway for replying even if you were not interested. Last ping: @Kbb2:.Ricardawn (alderique) 22:52 23 set 2019 (UTC)
- Kbb2: actually I would if his reaction would not be to attack like a vandal or even accuse of sockpuppeting whoever tries acting against him for the sake of Wikipedia. There is no need to know Italian to deal with this issue because it is sufficient to rely on sources, and the ultimate source about Italian orthoepy based on IPA is the DiPI, which registers a specific order of the official pronunciations so that it is linked in the help page. If you do not feel like proposing a discussion to restore the IPAs according to the source and to make him stop with this behaviour, because he is still going on, it is not a problem for me, I told you this because I thought this would help you showing his unsuitability for editing phonetic transcriptions because of his temper and POV as you were trying to do in ANI, but if you are not interested I will not try convincing you to do so. Again ping: @Kbb2:.Ricardawn (alderique) 11:21 21 set 2019 (UTC)
- @Ricardawn: You make it sound more serious than it actually seems to be. You can report him yourself, you know more about Italian than me. Kbb2 (alderique) 11:02 21 set 2019 (UTC)
- Kbb2: good morning. Excuse me for replying now and for disturbing you elsewhere. The only thing he has changed so far is the order, you say. There is something wrong with it, yes. First of all, the order is important, because the first place is taken by the real most correct modern pronunciation, while the second is a tolerated alternative which was used in the past but nowadays is considered obsolete and is becoming abandoned even in Tuscan Italian. Then, the source itself uses that order, I mean the DiPI, and its symbols legend says what I have written in the line above this about the order. Last but not least, he is not basing his argument on another source but just on his own POV, as he wrote in the edit summaries, he restored his version because he considers it the best, but this is Wikipedia, a secondary or tertiary source based on primary and secondary sources, not a primary source based on the opinions by the users who edit it, this is not lS98's pedia, also consider that he himself ofter added the DiPI, already linked in the help page, as a source for some Italian pronunciations inside the pages they were located in, so this is an example of using sources according to one's liking, very hypocritical and unsuitable for Wikipedia. These are the reasons why his behaviour is wrong. If you think it is worth a discussion to restore the pronunciations according to the source and to make him stop doing that, please use the information I gave you for that, otherwise at least I know that now you have become aware of such information which before you were unaware of. I am pinging you: @Kbb2:.Ricardawn (alderique) 09:56 21 set 2019 (UTC)
Kbb2: no, I have never hinted that I would like to take care of this issue by myself. You were in a public discussion about that user's uncorrect behaviour when editing IPAs, the information I provided could have been helpful to prove your point. You also check and revert or modify his edits about IPAs quite often, so it could be expected you to check also the edits I was talking about. If there was a user who could have been interested in this information it was you, that is why I told you. You are not, so the discussion ends here, for me it was already over when I stopped replying the other day. Have a nice day. Ping: @Kbb2:.Ricardawn (alderique) 08:46 24 set 2019 (UTC)